69 delegates. remember, senator santorum is not even eligible for ten of those delegates for failing to meet filing requirements. that's bad news for a candidate facing a huge uphill climb when it comes to the delegate mat. there's a look at it. the latest slip on the trail had him back tracking to a key issue this morning. take a listen. >> the unemployment rate doesn't matter to me. my campaign doesn't hinge on unemployment rates and growth rates. >> of course, care about the unemployment rate. i want it to go down. my candidacy doesn't hinge on whether the unemployment rate goes down. >> to make matters worse, santorum was also forced explain why he applauded when a minister introducing him in louisiana made these controversial comments. >> you don't love america, you don't like the way we do things. i have one thing to say. get out! we don't worship buddha or mohammed. we don't worship ala. we worship god.

we worship god's son jesus christ. >> do i agree with his statement that america -- i believe in freedom of religion and all religions are welcome and should be, and i think i made that pretty clear throughout my campaign. >> we've got both campaigns covered for you this morning. peter alexander is with the romney campaign in chicago. ron matta is with the santorum camp, and he joins us from gettysburg, pennsylvania. let's start with you this morning. rick santorum, the underdog, strong underdog in this contest. his campaign is doing well, but they've had some slip-ups over the past 48 hours. how well does he need to do tonight to really stay in this game with the momentum that he has gathered all the way through? >> hey there, thomas. well, it's all about momentum for this campaign. when you are fighting a grassroots effort like they are, momentum brings victories. victories bring cash, and that's what they'll need in this campaign going forward. that's probably why we're in gettysburg and not in illinois today. they don't probably think they can win here. the late polls show he is down

double digits in illinois, and we don't know what he will say tonight tonight, but it's also the land of the lincoln. i can point out that there's a race in louisiana. they hope to rebound there perhaps and get a victory there. it's probably more important than today's victory for romney perhaps is on april 3rd we have three races. d.c., maryland, and wisconsin. santorum's campaign is probably weapons inspectoring to win one of those for sure bays we go three weeks before we have races on the 24th of april. it's important for them to go through that spell with some sort of victory, and that's what they're going to be looking for, and perhaps that's what they're going to be talking about tonight. >> ron mott, thanks so much. mitt romney not waste anything time pouncing on the political gift from rick santorum on the unemployment front. >> i'm concerned about the people that are out of work. one of the people who is running also for the republican nomination today said that he doesn't care about the unemployment rate. that doesn't bother him. i do care about the unemployment rate. it does bother me. >> nbc's peter alexander is live

in chicago. so, peter, the odds are in mitt romney's favor, and if we look at the money that he spent, he has taken santorum nearly 7-1 in dlaz in illinois, but his first read put it out, it's about the margin, and he needs a decisive win here. >> well, i think that's what a lot of people are anticipating. this would be one of those opportunities for mitt romney to say to the core republicans, look, i didn't just win in illinois. i won by a lopsided margin. even 50% of the vote. his senior advisors said to me earlier this morning -- they said we think this race is a lot closer than the double digit lead you're hearing about in recent polls. obviously, they're anxious to have a loss in the eyes of the narrative, even if they actually win here in the state of illinois given the fact that rick santorum didn't fill out slates for delegates and four of the congressional districts here. there's a good chance romney wins the delegates, but doesn't win the storyline. that's a concern. we're trying to make it very clear that they come away with a win, no matter what happens here. nonetheless, as they continue their focus going forward, their focus remains on barack obama.

the president's backyard, of course, is chicago, and yesterday mitt romney went right into that backyard at the university of chicago attacking the president by name 12 times, thomas, in less than 18 minutes. >> he has his eyes on president obama for sure. nbc's peter alexander in chicago for us. thanks. joining me now is illinois congresswoman jan to talk more about what we're seeing in her home state. congresswoman, it's nice to have you here. you've heard the attacks on president obama about the economy directly from mitt romney and we know that illinois looks sharp, look good in november for the president, but it also has a high unemployment rate. i'll remind everybody that sits at 9.4%. that's higher than the national average. in your estimation, could mitt romney's message on the economy really stick with the people in illinois? >> well, it might, although his record on the economy is not so good. actually, massachusetts, which he likes to tout, ranked 47th in job creation when he was the governor.

there was a great loss of manufacturing jobs in massachusetts when he was the governor, so while he points to his record, it's not so great. i think what's important to note about the illinois primary is that there's really two things going on. one is what we call the beauty contest when people vote among the primary candidates. santorum and romney. but the other is the hunt for delegates where, as you pointed out, that rick santorum even if he were to win every congressional district would be not able to get all of the delegates because he couldn't launch slates of delegates in four of the districts. and so he starts with a disadvantage, bu if he does very well in the beauty contest, the head-to-head, that will be a very important victory for rick santorum. >> well, we talk about the economy. there's also been a lot of social issues talked about on the campaign trail, and i want to turn our attention now to the so-called war on women. the issue of birth control coverage came up again on the

campaign trail. take a listen to mitt romney's response to a question from a student. >> you're all for, like, yeah freedom and all this stuff. >> absolutely. >> yeah, pursuit of happiness. you know what would make me happy. free birth control. >> let me tell you something -- if you are looking -- if you are looking for free stuff, if you are looking for free stuff you don't have to pay for, vote for the other guy. that's what he is all about. okay? that's not -- that's not what i'm about. >> so congresswoman, what do you make of the response and then the parade of abortion, ultrasound, contraception bills that are popping up all across the country? >> well, mitt romney, i think, is trying to double down on the war on women because, of course, when he sought the support of planned parenthood, that was in 2002 for his campaign for governor. he is going the extra mile to prove that he is really against these kinds of things for women, but i'll tell you, he was on the campus of bradley university.

people -- young people are completely offended by the idea that access to birth control should not be one of the preventive services that's available, much like screening for prostate cancer, making that service, birth control, available. i think that he is at great risk of losing the majority of women in this country who also happen to be the majority of voters in this country. >> congresswoman, it's fwraet to have you on this morning. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> i just want to remind everybody, you can follow all the latest right here on msnbc. we'll have coverage through the day and the evening. we move on to breaking news right now in the shooting of an unarmed florida teen that has sparked such outrage across the country. florida state attorney general norm wolfinger has announced a grand jury will investigate the debt of trevun martin. that neighborhood watchman was

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been watching this go down? >> i think this has been the best thing for late night tv since sarah palin. it's been one gaff after another, between mitt, newt, rick. you know, it's like a trailer for the new "three stooges" movie. i'm actually surprised by mitt romney and how undisciplined he has been as a candidate and the problem for him is his ga ffs are reinforcing this image that he is out of touch with middle class ordinary americans. when he talks about not caring about the very poor. when he talks about his wife owning two cadillacs or making the $10,000 bet with rick perry. those things really help to support a narrative that democrats are trying to build around this guy not being -- disconnected with ordinary folks. >> same kwu to you, trey. who do you think has made the most mistakes that has been the soint byte dujour. >> it's want surprising to me that he went to the talking points for the dnc on mitt romney. clearly the obama campaign is worried about him most.

listen, these candidates need to be better about this. in this day and age where there are gotcha moments and every word and every sentence are going to be dissected by the media, they've just got to be better about it. i can tell you as former campaign staff, it drives campaign staff crazy when some of these candidates talk too much or get off message. rick santorum doesn't have a speechwriter. he prides himself on that. this is the problem you run into when you are not being well advised or not listening to the people around you that know what -- know campaigns and know about staying on message. >> isn't it a bad narrative, though, to have all this gotcha stuff. here's the thing. people come into interviews. i don't give you the questions. any question i ask you, you can say, oh, that's a gotcha question because you're not prepped for that, and then it gets everybody side tracked. is gotcha the right way to go when candidates are just giving the answers that they feel are the ones that people want to hear? >> i'm sorry. i think you are misunderstanding me. i don't mean gotcha in temz of gotcha questions. i'm talking about in this new

social media world where everyone has smartphones, everyone has cameras, everyone has videos. no matter -- you know, candidates need to be careful about who they're speaking to, when they're speaking to them because every single word that they say on the campaign trail is on the record officially. that's what i mean about the gotcha moment, that it's going to appear somewhere in the media no matter what they say. >> richard, today we expect to see more numbers. i'm talking about money from fundraising. the obama camp has disclosed that it raised $45 million last month. that's more than romney's campaign. they did $11.5 million. still big numbers here, but president obama also trumping romney's campaign fundraising for all the quarters last year. richard, do you think that romney is going to be able to sustain this long running campaign, or is he burning through money because of this primary? >> well, i think his campaign is going to be struggling as it has been, but then he has these tremendous resources in the super pac, and the mismatch between his campaign and the super pac, i think, is going to

be a problem moving forward because while he'll have the resources, and i imagine this is going to be a zero sum game between the obama campaign and if it is the romney campaign as we all pretty much expect, as the republican nominee, they'll cancel each other out, but super pacs are really unpopular. the idea of the lack of disclosure, of big money people, it's unpopular with republicans, democrats, and especially independents. they don't like any of this stuff. if the super pac ends up overshadowing the romney campaign moving forward, it will be a problem that really puts into a sharp perspective the question of funding and romney's own resources as well. >> doug, on that point of big money, the washington post, though, is reporting today that president obama is struggling to draw in these big dollar donations with half as many people writing large checks to his campaign than they did this time four years ago. some bundlers have stopped supporting him entirely. can he count on smaller donors

throughout the country to pull him through? >> well, he is counting on them, and i think those are the people who are powering his campaign. 98% of his donations come from folks who contribute about $250 or less. if you look at mitt romney, that figure is 10%. all of the money that mitt romney is getting is from a lot of big donors. it would be nice if i would also point out it would be nice if mitt romney disclosed who his bundlers are. that's something he hasn't done. overall, you know, the problem i think for mitt romney is he is really burning through a lot of money. you know, his cost per delegate right now is over $90,000 per delegate. when you look at rick santorum, he is spending about $28,000 per delegate. he is having to spend in a lot of states he probably didn't anticipate. so what does he have to show for it? his favorable numbers are really low, and his independent numbers are really low, so that's a real problem for mitt romney. >> i want to get your take on this because obama campaign senior advisor david axelrod was on "the daily rundown" this morning. he had to say, though, about the money and super pacs. >> there's a lot of money massed on the other side.

particularly in the super pacs that are carrying the load for romney in this primary season. so we're concerned about that, and we're going to continue to urge people not to be complacent and to take this very seriously. >> all right. here's where both sides go like this when it comes to the super pac. they point this way and that way and try to call each other out. do you think democratic complace ensy is a real risk for the president's re-election? >> thomas, listen, talking about money and politics is petty because i'll take issue with what richard said. the people -- american people do not care. if you look at the polling numbers, they never cared about campaign finance. it never polled high on across the country or in campaigns. they expect money to be in politics. there is going to be a ridiculous amount of money that is raised and spent before this campaign is over, and it's going to be historical, and it's just a fact. it's going to be raised by both sides. at the end of the day the american people assume it's going to be in politics, and they just don't care. >> richard, do you want to just get in there real quickly?

do you think americans are worried about elections being bought? >> the polling on super pacs is really clear. 70%, 80% disapproval. they may not care about it compared to unemployment. if it's the kind of campaign then it does have resonance and does break through, but, sure, there are other things that voters are going to decide about if it reinforces a story or a judgment about the candidate, you got a problem. >> all right, gentlemen. thanks so much. doug, trey, richard, i appreciate it. it is official, the broncos are going to announce this afternoon that quarterback peyton manning will head to the mile high city this afternoon. the contract details being wording out. after being released on march 7th manning became one of the most sought after free agents in the nfl. where does that leave current quarterback tim tebow? once the manning deal becomes official, denver will try to trade that popular player.

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welcome back. a man attempting to sell himself as a businessman in chief is hammering away at the current command ner chief's economic record. on the president's home tufb of illinois yesterday, mitt romney accused the president of attacking americans' economic freedom. >> the obama administration's assault on our economic freedom is the principle reason why the recovery has been so temped and why it couldn't meet their expectations. if we don't change course now, the assault on freedom could damage our economy and the well being of american families for decades to come. >> joining me this morning from chicago is the obama campaign's national press secretary ben labolt. ben, it's nice to see you this morning. >> thanks for having me back. >> absolutely. let's get through this because mitt romney has been talking about the president doing this really hard during the next 48 hours. is the president confident, ben, to run on his own economic

record for re-election? >> there are a lot of specifics about what his plans are, or his record in massachusetts because he can't run on those. massachusetts lagged behind during his denture. it started off as 35th and when he left office it was 47th. he says there will be less debt. well, debt went up to over 16%. over 16% by the time that mitt romney left office, and he raised taxes on middle class families an average of $750 million a year. he is trying to sell us somebody that he isn't. >> ben, real quickly, though, is the akillies heel for president obama and re-election not having the unemployment rate at 8%? having it below that? >> well, i got to tell you, when the president came into office, we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.

he has now created nearly four million private sector jobs. >> all right. let's turn now to health care, though, because this is another hot button issue out on the campaign trail. it is the second anniversary of the affordable care act. also called obama care by detracto detractors. the rnc has released an ad attacking it. take a listen to this. >> higher costs for patients, higher costs for taxpayers, another broken promise by obama. >> all right. so the gop has used obama care to fire up the conservative base. it's the first thing that congressman paul ryan talked about when he introduced his new budget plan this morning and repealing obama care. is the campaign ready to depend it, all the way to the general election fight? >> absolutely, and we're in the process of making clear what the stakes are if we repeal the affordable care act. there is a report out yesterday that said that insurance companies are continuing to discriminate against women and charge them $1 billion more for their insurance each year. if mitt romney or newt gingrich or rick santorum had their way, that would continue.

if they had their way, insurance companies could continue to deny you coverage if you get sick. 2.5 million young people across the country wouldn't have health care coverage if they were elected president, but it's not just limited to the affordable care act itself. last week -- >> i want to show -- we have a new poll. it shows the public opinion is not on your side. the abc news-washington post poll shows that the majority of americans, 42%, is hopeful the supreme court throws out the entire law. this is the president's signature legislation from his first term in office. if he hopes to get a second. did the white house fumble with the messaging of this? >> the american people are very supportive of what is in the law. they do not believe that insurance companies should be allowed to kick you off the roll if you get sick or deny you coverage if you have a preexisting condition. they do not believe we should deny coverage to the 2.5 million young people who are receiving it right now, but take a look at what mitt romney said last week. this isn't just limited to the affordable care act. he said that we should get rid

of plant parenthood. he said he would stop federal funding for it. he was completely dismissive of the concerned illinois woman yesterday who was wondering where she could get preventive treatment if he got rid of planned parenthood. there is an op ed in the "chicago tribune" today in which a woman says if planned parenthood hadn't been there to provide her care, she wouldn't have been able to have her child because she got a condition that could potentially lead to infertility, so he is entirely overreaching on this issue, and i think that's why you have seen such a steady decline in his numbers among both women and independents. >> ben, great to see you this morning. thanks for making time for us. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. i just want to pass along. we do continue to follow the breaking news here on msnbc about a grand jury being convened to investigate the death of a florida teen. the u.s. department of justice and the fbi also both launching their own independent investigations. the reverend al sharpton will join me next as well as a full report from msnbc's maria to

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breaking news we continue to follow now. the killing of an american teen arousing action newsingtory get the attention of not just federal investigators but now a grand jury. as both the u.s. justice department and the fbi investigate the killing of trevan martin. a grand jury will also be empanelled to examine that case on april the 10th. all this a day after protesters called for the arrest of a self-appointed neighborhood watch leader who allegedly shot the teen as he walked home from a convenience store after ignoring police requests to leave him alone. the teen's father calls this an insult. >> my son was being attacked.

he wasn't the aggressor in this instance, and the police department is trying to make george zimmerman out to be the victim, and the victim is clear trevan martin, who is dead in the grave. >> not a lot of answers. maria joins me now to talk more about this. mara, i understand there's this new controversy surrounding something we hear from the elongated 911 tape with the watchman. >> yeah. thomas, by now most of us have heard portions of the 911 call george zimmerman made describing trevan martin as suspicious. did he go farther than that? after listening to the tapes more closely, some believe they can hear zimmerman referring to the florida teen with a racial slur. we're not comfortable using that word, but it's a derogatory term for african-americans. we normally wouldn't air this offensive language either, but we wanted to make sure that you could hear it and you can form your own opinion about what was said. let's take a listen to that now.

>> he is running. on. >> he is running. which way is he running? >> down towards the entrance to the neighborhood. >> okay. which entrance is that that he is heading towards? >> the back entrance. [ bleep ]. >> now, we know that went by pretty fast. what we're going to do is rerack that audio and play it for you one more time so you can listen to it again. let's take a second listen to that. >> he is running. >> which way is he running? >> down towards the entrance of the neighborhood. >> okay. which entrance is that that is he heading towards? >> the back entrance. [ bleep ]. >> it's that kind of under his breath mutterance that we're referring to. we did boost the audio so you are better able it hair it. it's unclear exactly what was being said, but some say they do hear that derogatory term and demonstrates that zimmerman was, in fact, racially profiling martin when he called police.

zimmerman has maintained he shot mart news 10 self-defense, and his family has maintained he is not a racist. thomas. >> mara, thanks so much. joining me now in studio is the host of msnbc's politics nation and civil rights activist reverend al sharpton. it's nice to see you this morning. i know you have been very involved with learning about this case, but i do want to talk to you about the larger issue of race and the police response in this case. where is the conversation going? >> well, i think the conversation is that the sanford police has to really explain why this young man was not arrested. he called the police department. he was clearly told on the tape there's no need to raise the volume there. he clearly told don't follow him. he followed him anyway. he killed him, and he says it was self-defense. yet, there's no threat there when the police gets there, there's no weapon, there's no drugs, there's no crime, so why wasn't he arrested? there's probable cause there to make an arrest.

>> you're talking about george zimmerman. he is the man that we heard on that tape. his background, he is hispanic. he and his family, friends, they claim he is not a racist, but we have some more of that audiotape, the 911 call. take a listen. >> something is wrong with him. yep. he is coming to check me out. he has something in his hands. i don't know what his deal is. >> okay. let me know if he does anything, okay? >> he is [ bleep ]. they always get away. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay. we don't need you to do that. >> are you following him? we don't need you to do that. this 911 tape is roughly four minutes long. if you hear this and if this was a white teen, how do you think the comparisons, the contrasts might be different? >> i think that the feeling that many of us had and the father said on my show and the lawyer is that he would have been -- if there had been a black kid that

killed i white teen, the feeling is that he would have been automatically arrested. you must remember, we saw a prosecutor here arrest the head of the imf when there was an accusation made and there was physical evidence something happened. probable cause is what police operate on. police do not have to have a conviction. they have to have probable cause. clearly, there's probable cause to arrest zimmerman. >> when we talk about the details of this case, abc news has this exclusive that trevan was on the phone with a female friend, moments, just moments before he was killed. this female friend says that trevan was frightened, thought he was being stalked and knew he was being followed, so do you think that we're dealing with a person here when we talk about george zimmerman that needs to be examined for where he stands in terms of his beliefs, you know, societial beliefs, if the audio, you know -- if people can prove that there is that racial

term used. it looks like he is somebody that's carrying a gun with a motive. >> we are told that george zimmerman had made 46 calls to police reporting incidents since january of 2011. clearly, you have an over zealous guy. the question becomes which you raised is what was his motive, and going back to the police department in sanford, what did they question him? they questioned him that night and let him go. did they drug test him? did they test him for alcohol? this did d they question his motive? that is why we want a justice department review. not only on zimmerman violating the civil rights of this young man he killed, but what did the police department do that determined they let this guy just walk out of there when they have a young man dead? who they allowed to lay in the medical examiner's office dead for three days never identified him, never picked up the dead man's cell phone to call the last person he called. just let him sit there like he was worthless. that's why we're going in there tomorrow night to -- on thursday

night to protest. >> one thing, reverend, i want to remind everybody about. in the stauf florida it has a law on the books called "stand your ground." we did research back in 2005. opponents of this first of its kind of law said that it wouldn't be long before we see shoot-outs. shoot-outs in the streets. all of this in the name of self-defense. does this go too far, and is this why zimmerman isn't being arrested? >> well, if that is the case, then it's a classic reason why the law needs to be changed and we're going to be raising that question. i raise another question. suppose if trevan had stood his ground? who would have been right there? again, you're not dealing with a policeman. we don't even know this guy was identified. supposed if trevan, as the witness that went to abc said, felt he was being stalked and attacked. supposed he turned around and defended himself. would the sanford police have been as hands-off on trevan as they are on zimmerman who killed trevan. that's why civil rights activists are involved. >> we will see you there on thursday. >> we'll be having a rally with

the family at the first baptist church in sanford right where it happened. >> you can always catch the reverend week night evenings right here when he hosts "politics nation" at 6:00 p.m. on msnbc. reverend, thanks again. >> thank you. >> paul ryan is making the rounds inside the beltway promoting a new house gop budget that could spark another partisan battle that bleeds into voting this fall. right now chairman ryan discussing that plan at the american enterprise institute, and in the last hour he laid out his fiscal blueprint on capitol hill. take a listen. >> this year we offer again our path to prosperity. we propose we repeal the president's disastrous health care law. we preserve the guarantee for today's seniors so they can count on the benefit that they organize the retirement around and we preserve that guarantee going into the future for tomorrow's seniors by empowering them with choices. >> not wasting any time. the white house is already out

with a response saying, in part, "the house budget once again fails to test balance, fairness, and shared responsibility. instead of strengthening medicare and the house budget would end medicare as we know it." new york congressman and democratic congressional committee chairman steve israel joins me now. sir, i want to start with your reaction straight off the bat from chairman ryan's comments. do you see this as empowering seniors? >> no, i see this as destroying medicare for seniors. this budget can best be described as more for big oil companies, less for seniors. by the way, despite what mr. ryan is saying, we've just received hot off the presses -- we've received the actual budget resolution that he has produced. it is word for word, sill bell for silla bell, verb for verb identical to the budget resolution he produced a year ago which would have ended medicare as we know it. it is day jew view all over again, and they are doubling down on their plan to end medicare as we know it. they said if years ago.

they wanted it to wither on a vine. this does just that. >> congressman, as you say doubling down on that plan. i do want to play something that chairman ryan said earlier today on "morning joe." >> i think the wrong thing just from a political standpoint is ducking this issue, is evading responsibility, is failing to fix this crisis and bring us closer to a debt crisis. >> all right. ducking the issue, taking us closer to a debted crisis. what's your response? what are democrats offering that fixes our debt, protects medicare over the long-term? >> well, how about the right and fair priorities. how about we agree that we do have a debt crisis. how about if we ask big oil companies to come up with a nickel more? their budget allows us to continue to subsidyize big oil companies $40 billion over ten years. when they're already making recordbreaking profits, and then ask seniors to be the first to sacrifice. the first to engage in this risky experiment called premium support. if there's a debt crisis, and there is, let's address it together in a commonsense way by

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commentator, former radio talk show host ron reagan. it's myself to see you this morning. first up, i want to start off the gate with newt gingrich, politico in a new piece talking about cash running low, supporters getting paid. it's that gingrich leads its worth plowing ahead. why is ron paul still in this race? he does he really find himself to be a viable contender to go up against president obama? >> boy, i hesitate to try and read newt gingrich's mind. i'm not really sure that at the beginning he was running for president seriously as a serious candidate. at some point around south carolina, which, of course, he actually won, he began to get the idea that maybe he could pull this off and once that idea planted itself in its head, he is loathe to let it go. he is a man whose known for having a titanic ego, and i think that the idea of president gingrich is now dancing around

in his head. i also think he probably suspects that the longer he stays many this race, the better bargaining position he will have, let's say at the convention if we enter into a broke herred convention. >> sure. reinvigorated political life. a book tour turning into a presidential campaign. who knew? next up, ron paul, who still has a reality solid and good base of grassroots support around this country, he is dead last, though, ron in the delegate count. what's his justification for still being in this and trying to hold on? >> well, ron paul has been running for president since, you know, virtually the teddy roosevelt administration. he is what you call a message candidate. ron paul never thinks he is going to win. ron paul runs so he can get his libertarian message out there to his libertarian fan base, which numbers about 10% or so, and will never grow beyond 10% or so, and he knows that. but he wants to stick around until the convention too and see if he can make some noise. >> there's a "new york times" blog that asks where are the elder statesmen basically questioning why no gop vets have

stepped forward to cautiously nudge a candidate out of the race and do so in the name of the party, for the good of the party, so what's the likelihood that this is going to happen, you know, as we get closer and closer to tampa? >> well, here's the thing. if you are talking about the republican elite or elder statesmen in the republican party, most of those people are going to be in romney's camp. now, why would they, say, try to get newt gingrich to drop out of the race? because they're betting -- romney's best friend right now is newt gingrich. the longer he stays in, the more rick santorum's vote is divided, the conservative vote, is divided, and the better it is for romney. if there are elder statesmen in the republican party, they're probably telling newt you go for it, newt. we're with you all the way. >> ron reagan, great to see you this morning. thank you, sir. >> nice to be with you, thomas. the president's secret weapon turned on the charm last night on late night tv. first lady michelle obama sat down with david letterman. they talked about everything, everything, from shopping at

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each of these events is heart wrenching and my thoughts and prayers go out to all of those affected by this violence, coalition and afghan alike. but i assure you, the relationship between the coalition and our afghan security forces remains strong. >> general john alan, top u.s. commander in afghanistan, speaking movements ago before a house panel about the fallout from the series of violent incidents in the region, including shooting of afghan civilians allegedly by a u.s.

soldier, that soldier robert bales in u.s. custody and his lawyer says he has no memory of what happened the night he alleged allegedly snuck off his base and shot 16 people to death, including 9 children. today an important day, we come upon a major anniversary in fight for equal treatment in our armed forces, six months ago don't ask, don't tell, allows lgbt men and women to serve openly in the army and military, full military, officially repealed but that hear moistoryg moment hasn't been without drawbacks, married but are being denied benefits. to gain those rights, it's an issue of equity. one couple who joined in the lawsuit, shannon mclaughlin and her spouse casey. nice to see you. >> good morning. >> as we talk about the anniversary, aubrey said as we celebrate the success we've seen so far on don't ask, don't tell,

the repeal, we know the implementation cannot be successful as long as we have two classes of service members. at the six-month mark it would be appropriate to do so. where does the case stand now? >> right now, thomas we're in a stay in the case until the end of april. so we're sort of in a holding pattern at this point. >> casey, for you, as a spouse of someone who is serving in our country's m. military what's it been like and the changes to be opened and fully recognized respect in a certain capacity within shannon's service? >> well, we're absolutely thrilled with the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. i stay at home with our twins and shannon's the sole bread winner, it was a huge weight off of our shoulders to not worry losing her job because of who

she is. however we're not considered equal in the eyes of the law and that's why we're involved in this case. >> quickly, i wanted to to point out, charlie morgan, someone left embattled by the issue, she came out on our air six months ago, we wanted to have her back but she's too ill to be here because she has cancer. her case is the very essence of why this is so vital. the other legal options being considered to protect those without protection here, it r l really doesn't exist, does it? >> no, it doesn't and it's unfortunate that charlie is not able to speak with you today. i mean, what we're fighting for is access to recognition and to full benefits for all military families, whether those be health benefit, military i.d. cards, access to the base. >> one example of that is, if shannon were deployed or a military training, i wouldn't be able to bring our twins on to

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mitt romney is putting the ill in illinois. carpet bombing airwave as head of state's primary tonight. but are there any signs the war might be ending? we are a long way from 1144, folks. it's tuesday, march 20th and this is "now" joining me today, mitt romney supporter, phil musser, co-anchor of